In the event people stop attacking me for a minute this is the blog post to "reference" why I am cussing myself out or part of it and the attacks on me surrounding this post in comment sections cause it was over a few days.................whether by 1 person or several people ganged up on me I am not even sure????????................
https://givingittogod.blogspot.com/2023/07/some-christian-just-commented-on-my.html
Sheri die bi--- your jealous of your super model sister aimee jaxheimer and it burns you everyday of your life you satan loving hater jealous bi-------------- go fuc=- die b--------------...................
I gonna let aimee know I'm sorry for being so abusive that I am unable to stop being a abusive b------ cause I love satan and now need god to finally kill me so that I'll go to hell...........pry soon so...................
cause look
at this nasty bi------------ abusing her family shit sheri die you nasty sh--- a-- bitch die
stop it you nasty mosther fu-----g cunt sucker shseri god damn you b----h
Matthew 15:8-9 "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
Now that all said..........................I believe in showing mercy..........................I believe people can change, I sure have....................I am certain there are still old blog posts on my blog that likely would not paint me in the bestestest light! I realize POTENTIALLY the bulk of the sisters right now...............
don't wear wedding rings
wear nylons
don't cut their hair ever
don't ever wear pants not even at home
Hear me out though.........................you can do those things, but they won't make you holier then everyone else on earth. Faith is action for one............................you gotta do good works........................heeding a bunch of man made buisiness won't help you probably.
if I weared pants inside my house DID I HARM MY SOUL IN THAT - no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
James 2:17 "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."
whether you get a trim on the ends of your hair (in portland there are sisters that appear to refuse ever getting haircuts like it's hardcore)
You good works, and love, and bowels of mercies..............this is the stuffs that actually matters. Colossians 3:12-13 "Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye."
I'm reminding the church to do good basically................whether you wear pants inside your house or not will not help your salvation along IT WILL NOT.
I myself am keeping wearing my wedding rings for 100% ----- I don't think not wearing wedding rings is helping anybodies salvation along either! Cause I'm good looking : )
You all though most all the sisters of the apostolic christian church of america can keep on not wearing wedding rings, not wearing pants ever, wearing gag nylons all the time........heck make up a few more man made rules add to the pile even if you want..................but remember what is important..................that we forgive one another love one another, yea love all men!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 Thessalonians 3:12 "And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:"
Volunteering at the foodbank tonight - I am looking forward to it, I actually enjoy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really do, there's a lot of really nice people that volunteer there...................it's often a fun time for me..........pretty well everytime!
pic of my lats this week : ) bulking back up again.............I all scrany'd down for a bit there...................MY VEGETARIAN DAYS ARE NOW OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm never going back to eating meat like several times a week like I once did..............but I find eating a burger 2-3 times a week does help me maintain said epic amount of muscles : )
pic of my garden so far, it's about to get a bit bigger (haven't added the ollies - fancy watering contraptions made out of milk jugs - yet either)
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Sheri,
Very well said. The following of manmade rules certainly don’t make us holy! At best, a little reminder such as the one you’ve given is needed. At worst, the following of manmade rules can completely push Christ out of our lives. Then again, I’m not sure our “actions” make us holy either, though I understand what you mean. It’s Christ and His imputed righteousness that makes us holy.
One thought for you, though. You mentioned that you still wear a wedding ring. That’s fine by me… but it might not be fine by your ‘weaker’ brothers and sisters. Though you are strong, and feel no condemnation for wearing a ring (understandably so), there are others that do, and the Word encourages consideration of their feelings, lest they somehow be destroyed, offended, or stumble. When you have a moment, please consider Romans 14, which speaks on this subject.
That being said, there is no end of people being offended. If we lived our lives such that nobody would be offended, I suppose we should just as well die, since someone will be offended out there by something we might do. However, maybe one way Romans 14 could be applied here is that while you are around your brethren, you refrain from wearing your ring. When you are not in their presence, then you can wear the ring. I don’t know. Just a thought… and I hope I haven’t offended you by sharing it.
Romans 14 could just as well apply to those "offended" by the wearing of a wedding ring. "The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. " Change "eat everything" to "wear a wedding ring" and it's the same sentiment. Removing the wedding ring, so as not to offend someone who thinks it is wrong, is essentially agreeing that it is wrong to wear the ring. If someone else chooses not to wear a ring, I will think no less of them. I expect the same courtesy from them.
Bottom line, to me, is that if my wearing a wedding band is so disturbing to someone else, that says a lot more about them than it does about me.
Brian,
You’re absolutely right. It’s supposed to work both ways, and ideally it should. But… in my experience, the flesh has a tendency to get in the way of this ideal. The ‘courtesy’ you suggest is perhaps too rarely seen from either side. One side is ‘weak’ and thinks something (ie, wearing of wedding bands, or something else) shouldn’t be done, so they make a fuss. The other side is ‘strong’ and feels no similar compunctions with their liberty, and they also make a fuss against their brothers who they believe have a ‘problem.’ Ultimately what seems to happen is that BOTH sides have a problem because all eyes are taken off of Christ to focus on some piddling thing about each other… which can stop Christian love dead in its tracks.
Maybe that’s why Paul puts the responsibility on the part of those that are strong, in asking them to consider the feelings of those that are weak. Right after Romans 14, Paul had this to say:
Rom 15:1 We who are strong have an obligation to bear with the failings of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
Rom 15:2 Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up.
Rom 15:3 For Christ did not please himself, but as it is written, "The reproaches of those who reproached you fell on me."
I don’t know if it’s the right approach or not, but if there’s something I feel at liberty to enjoy, I try to do so NOT in the presence of brethren I know who are weak or would be offended. Does the weaker brother still have an ‘issue?’ Well, that’s not for me to judge. I don’t even see in Romans 14 where it’s my job to debate with or try to change the mind of one who is weak; it’s my duty to love them with everything in me and to make sure I’m not a stumbling block to them. And if the strong and the weak both serve the same God, what would be the point for me to flaunt my liberty in their face? All it would do is remove the focus from Jesus Christ, and I don’t want to be responsible for removing focus from Him!
I’ve also learned that not everyone is strong in all ways, nor is everyone weak in all ways. We need each other. Where I am weak, I need the strong brother to help hold me up and bear with me. And if there is any area where I am strong, then perhaps it is my turn to support someone who is weak, and to learn to bear with them.
Brian, did you write this post? :) I’d thought it was Sheri, but perhaps the two of you tag-team these. May I ask, are you also a Christian?
Brians about to reply in a bit but I feel strongly about this issue myself............I'm supposedly the weakest so this don't make sense to me this idea that everyone else in the apostolic christian church of america is weaker then me WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME RIGHT??????????? My wedding ring set is a cheapo set, I paid maybe $12 for both rings, not even a real diamond it's cubic zirconia wait I take a pic and put it at the end of this post...........if it was a expensive set, then I could see how I'm tempting a weak sister to also spend copious amounts of money on a expensive wedding ring set (but this is a cheap, set.........it don't even look expensive!!!!!!!!!!!!) and I like it to cause it works out good when I go to the gym I can put my lifting gloves right over it - very durable.........girly feminine I think all around I picked a good wedding ring set to wear. They are so weak I'm tempting them to sin by spending 12 dollars on a wedding ring set??????? That is the case that's what you are telling me?????????? That spending 12 dollars on a wedding ring set is a horrible sin for anybody married???????? I'm trying to understand.........................please do answer my question is spending 12 dollars on a wedding ring set a horrible sin????????? (for a married person to do) I have sinned greately wearing a wedding ring???????????????? because I'm happily married??????????? trying hard to understand
There are limits to how much a person should be expected to acquiesce in deference to others. I am a Christian, but not Apostolic. I have been attending the Apostolic church for close to 5 years now, because it is the church of choice for my wife, and I enjoy the people that attend. There are many things I do (or do not do) while amongst them, out of respect for their beliefs. However, not wearing my wedding ring is not one of those things. I understand the reasons behind them not wearing them, I just do not share those reasons.
Let's say I wore a cologne and someone told me that it was something that bothered them. (Maybe it made them sneeze, or the smell made them ill.) I would, of course, not wear it while around them. But wearing a wedding ring is not something that affects them in the same way. I fail to see how my wearing a wedding ring is flaunting anything or rubbing it in their face. I don't walk around, holding my hand up in the air making people focus on my ring. Until this topic came up on my wife's blog I never even once looked at the hands of another member good enough to notice that they were not wearing wedding rings.
Another example is the fact that I have a beard. I know a lot of Apostolics do not approve of beards. So, should I also shave off my beard so as not to offend someone who thinks I should not have a beard? Where do we draw the line? I'm sure we all do something that bothers someone else, just how far should we be expected to bend before we are living to appease man and not God?
I feel that issues like wedding rings, facial hair for men, women wearing pants, and women being able to cut their hair are nothing more than legalism exemplified. They do not bring people closer to God.
Can people at church wear watches I think I've seen a few people wear watches those are jewelry, how come that jewelry is ok?
You can't escape temptation, if you hide in a cave you will be tempted still, if you live in a air compressed bubble you will be tempted..........the devil can and does tempt a person anywhere at any time...........1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:" If you are sober and not partying and vigilant, vigilant by praying without ceasing............1 Thessalonians 5:17 "Pray without ceasing." You should be ok!!!!!!!! The devil should not be able to get to you then!!!!!!!!!
The brothers and sisters have got to be a lot of them, going to the store shopping around people wearing wedding rings, around jewelry -------- WE NEED TO BE STRONG! Have self control, have our fleshes cruficifed to their lusts and desires................the temptations aren't going to go away even if we vacuum pack the church up real good to make it a extra safe bubble. Ya church should be a safe bubble --------- I'm just mostly not understand why we need this much padding at church?????????????
We are supposed to all have "self control" a bit..............Galatians 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."
tem·per·ance noun \ˈtem-p(ə-)rən(t)s, -pərn(t)s\
: the practice of drinking little or no alcohol
: the practice of always controlling your actions, thoughts, or feelings so that you do not eat or drink too much, become too angry, etc.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/temperance
if they can get the holy spirit in them the brothers and sisters and walk in the holy spirit like I do, I promise you they will be able to have self control!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (though they'll likely be like me, and battle from time to time)
I myself walk through stores full of stuffs, that I sometimes am tempted to buy.............I keep my flesh down!!!!!!!!! I use "self control"
AND I'M THE WEAKEST SO IF I CAN DO THIS WITH THE HELP OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ANYBODY CAN (well that has the holy spirit in them - without the holy spirit it'd pry be mission impossible)
Let us break it down to the most basic of facts. There is not a single passage in either the old or new testament that says we cannot wear a finger/wedding ring. Quite the opposite, actually. In Luke 15:22 Jesus is telling the story of the Prodigal son and the passage reads "But the father said to his slaves, 'Quickly bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet" This is Jesus, telling the story and using the ring as one of the symbols that the son has returned to live the proper life. So, rather than the Bible condemning the wearing of a ring as a symbol, it supports it. (There are other passages as well. Such as Ester 8:1-2 and Ester 8:8 that also support wearing rings)
As with other things, it is the reason, not the thing, that makes it good or bad. Money is not evil, we need it to provide for our family and ourselves. The love of money, the lust to have more of it, is what is bad. A wedding ring to symbolize the union of a husband and wife is not inappropriate and should not be judged the same as some other piece of jewelry that is simply worn to be shown off as a status symbol.
Oh, I also forgot. Romans 4:15. "Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression." Since there is nothing in the Bible that says you cannot wear a wedding ring, there can be no transgression if you wear one simply as a symbol of your marriage and not simply as a piece of jewelry.
And, this isn't just me making this stuff up. Many of the points I have used in the last two posts come from the writings of some Apostolic ministers on the subject of wedding rings.
Dear Brian and Sheri,
I surely don’t dispute anything either of you have said. Nothing. And I hope you don’t think I was. It’s a good question you asked, Brian: “How far should we be expected to bend before we are living to appease man and not God?” I guess I don’t know the answer to that. While I cherish the liberty offered in Romans 14, it seems to ask us to temper this with love. Maybe another question that could be asked along with yours is this: “How much do I love my brother… even if he’s wrong?” Hopefully this is where those in church leadership can provide guidance to all: Romans 14 is definitely a two-way street!
Maybe I’m just a wimp when it comes to this… I just hope and wish for Jesus to have the preeminence, and not these other external things. I dearly wish the things you mentioned in this post weren’t an issue. It really seems that a church should demand no more of its membership than what the Bible asks… but with churches being filled with human beings, I surely understand how it can go that way.
Regardless, I hope you’ll forgive me once more if I’ve stepped in it and caused offense here.
I'm not offended at all.........fact I'm really glad you replied on this post -------- it was really good for both me and my husband to spend all that time in the word of god yesterday. Talking can be good sometimes to I think.........this verse stood out to me in the bible recently...........Hebrews 13:16 "But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased." God wants us all talking about his word like this, I had a good time : ) I hope more in the church will comment on my blog posts and chat : ) gotta go get ready for my oldestest honour student awards ceremony, hope your week is a good one. I love the church, I know they's wanting to be in the 1800's or actually I think they want to be in the 1100's or 800's um whenever it was real hard to buy cheapo 12 dollar wedding ring sets hahahahhaah
Oh dear – Well, I don’t know that they wish to be in the 1100’s or 800’s. They had rings back then, too! And too, the church you love may consider it unkind to be thought of in this way. Some of it might be a difference in perspective, but some of it might also be because they don’t know any better or have never given it serious thought. But I think you have the right idea – talking about it. :) I think it’s awesome that you and your husband together dug into the Word to consider this.
Maybe I'm a little confused here, is this a debate on doctrine and practices of members of the Apostolic Christian Church?
apostolic christian church of america
I went to a apostolic christian church of america wedding ceremony for the 1st time what month or two ago.............weirdest wedding ceremony you'd ever clean seen in your life..........I am friends with the bride though!
They didn't exchange wedding rings, and then kneeled a bowed while the church prayed for them - like we weren't at a wedding at all but some royal coronation of some sort and the bride and the groom were about to be knited by queen elizabeth - cept I think when queen elizabeth knights people they merely like bow while a sword is placed on their shoulders or something???????? AND THAT WAS IT, THEY DIDN'T KISS, NO EXCHANGING OF WEDDING RINGS.
it was a nice wedding, they had a wedding reception that was completely normal
Sheri - It looks like another 'anonymous' person has posted, asking about debates. I don't know who that is, but it's not me. I'm the one that made the posts above. :)
To this 'other' anonymous person: Does this seem like a 'debate on doctrine and practices?' I guess to me it felt more like looking into the Word of God and seeing how we might obey it.
And to Sheri -- As for this wedding you attended seeming 'weird,' well... I suppose that all depends on what you're used to. To my knowledge the Bible doesn't prescribe a specific formula for how a wedding is to be conducted, so if this group chose something a little different, do you suppose it's still okay?... even if it seems different to you?
(Same confused person as yesterday here...)
Right, ACCA.
So are you debating the doctrine and customs being aligned with the Bible or are you saying that there are Members who are telling Friends that they cannot wear wedding rings or grow beards?
I live in the Midwest, and have been a member (ACCA) for 19 years. I have never met another Member who holds the same standards to Friends as they do for Brothers and Sisters. I also have never been to Oregon, but find it hard to believe it would be much different there than here.
As far as doctrine and practices go, have you read the Statement of Faith booklet? There should be one available at the Church somewhere or ask the local Elder for a copy or read it online from the website of the National Church here: http://www.apostolicchristian.org/faith_statement.php
I should point out that the booklet includes all of the bullet points under Doctrine and Faith on that website.
To the original Anonymous,
I hope I didn't offend you with my question. I don't know any of the people on this blog. I can't know if I should take what is written at face value or if it is tongue in cheek humor. If anybody has questions about our beliefs then I'd like to help them understand if I can. An edifying discussion is welcome. A debate I want no part of... Asking directly for context is the best way I know how to approach it.
Okay, I guess I’m the “original” anonymous. :) Maybe I can differentiate our posts by putting in some hash marks like this: /////
///// Offend me with your question? Goodness no! You’d have to work harder than that, if that was your intent. :) And I certainly didn’t intend to make tongue-in-cheek or humorous posts on here; I was just interested in what Sheri and her husband were writing about and wanted to respond. Maybe you could help with an ‘edifying discussion’ here – you can see what is written above. I don’t think they agreed with my response, but what are your thoughts?
I ain't trying to debate nothin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I completely do not want to get in no sort of fight. Talking is ok. But I definately don't want to get in no fight. I ain't lookin for trouble.
But my husband he has a beard...............it's sad he says the only reason he will never become a member is cause he has a beard.
I'm in the process of becoming a member...........I'm not comfortable not wearing my wedding ring I really ain't. It's a "comfort" issue for me, this is a country where people were wedding rings, I get plenty enough attention from the guys WITH A RING ON. I can't imagine the problems I'd have if I didn't wear a wedding ring.............
I'm saying some sort of exception is going to have to be made for me. Or should be made for me, should be, a person shouldn't be forced to heed something that isn't biblical and makes them uncomfortable.
I've lost track of all the annymous posters here........proceed though talking it's good to talk THE CHURCH IS FINALLY SPEAKING - YAY!!!!!!!!!!!! you all been so quite for so long.
I'll count it as you love me I love you to <B
Not, there are plenty of churches that don't wear rings. Conservative Mennonites and Brethren, Hutterites, Amish, and Holiness churches for instance. If the AC rules are too much for you, maybe quietly leave and stop ranting on the internet.
this post is a rant????????????????? I considered it more as me well thinking about the "potential pitfalls" of heeding manmade rules.........and more then that a exhortation to avoid said "pitfalls" ------------ and I'm fine with them not wearing wedding rings said that much, I'm just not comfortable with not wearing my wedding ring myself. -------------- the elder of the church is currently meeting with me, I think a wedding ring exception is about to be made. Was this a rant??????????? I didn't think it was a rant??????? ------------ more me highly intellectualizing things in my estimation (but my husband points out to me lots of angry people in this world that need to take out their anger on someone so they go to blogs and post something not nice anonymously) I'll pray for you latest anonymous poster. I think there is a reason for this post to exist that is very "valid". Hope your week get's better!
but I will take out that part that everyone in america wears wedding rings, since how you are correct, there are these other groups that also do not wear them!
you comment is what the devil would like for me I believe " If the AC rules are too much for you, maybe quietly leave and stop ranting on the internet."
the devil would like for me to believe this post is a rant that I'm a "crazy lady" not even a christian THAT'S WHAT THE DEVIL WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO BELIEVE. I believe the devil wants to discount me completely, and he''ll use whomever he can to get that done!!!!!!!!!! And I believe the devil very much wants me to leave this church.........and quit blogging "stop ranting on the internet" quit blogging in general very much what the devil would like me to do. I'll edit this post though you are right there are hooderites etc. etc. etc. that don't wear wedding rings as well.
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